Views sought on vision for £5bn Liverpool Central regeneration

They can’t even sort Baltic station who on Earth believes anything this council say anymore and who in the right mind votes for this ?

Labour has allowed Liverpool to go to the dogs it’s run down now

To be honest I’m not sure about that because of something not right for spending £5BN for just transport hub, it doesn’t make sense.

To 10.17 anon
I was down by the pier head this am. Stunning world class waterfront and looking back toward both cathedrals.
No doubt you are from a land locked Lego city with no character but lots of jealousy and bias.

More talk. Meanwhile we have no modern tram system and Mayor Rotheram’s pledge to build new stations across the city-region seems to have been buried in the long grass. It would be great to see Central Station come forward as this part of the city centre is now in danger of becoming a blight.

Rebuild it in the same style as was the old High Level terminus. Using st. Pancras as a template, by opening up the ground level, to allow the light to penetrate down to the platforms.
Retail could the remain on the upper level. Along with a generous waiting area, keeping passengers from waiting on the platforms

If it is anything like the parking debate we had in Liverpool, which people said no to, but you put it through anyway, it is not worth having a debate.

New York and Sydney are world class 1/2 mile then wasteland

We will ask the public see what they feel before we will not deliver a single track or brick like never

It just 5 mins walk from disused Liverpool central station to Liverpool lime Street but spending £5BN for transport hub from where? From disused station lol 😂 it doesn’t make sense.

This is a real opportunity’ for the city regions many long standing MPs to deliver an important project, most of them spend their time jumping on passing bandwagons or sniping at their own government, .no wonder the city region does get major investment from the government. All the MPs should come together and actually do their job and campaign for the city region

For a regeneration project of this scale, AI should absolutely be consulted as part of the planning and public feedback process.

A £5bn transformation around Liverpool Central is not just about buildings, retail, transport links and public realm. It is about how millions of people will move through, live in, work in and experience this part of the city over the next 20, 30 or 50 years.

AI could help analyse passenger flow, pedestrian safety, accessibility, traffic movement, business impact, housing need, night-time economy risks, public sentiment, environmental performance and long-term regeneration outcomes. It could also help identify issues that may be missed in traditional consultation exercises.

That does not mean AI should replace residents, businesses, planners, architects or elected representatives. But it should be used as an additional independent analytical tool to stress-test the proposals and provide an evidence-based opinion on what is likely to work best for Liverpool.

For a project of this importance, the city should be using every available tool — including AI — to make the best possible decisions.

Talk of spending 5 billion on the surrounding area of the underground station. With an annual footfall of circa 15 million. Yet this underground station has one island platform servicing two tracks on the Northern line. It’s grossly over crowded and it has all the potential of becoming a major incident with substantial fatalities. Steve Rotherham shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near this project. Especially after he helped to procure and promote the new generation of the Merseyrail fleet of electric trains. The very same trains that cannot safely disgorge all passengers at certain Merseyrail stations because they are too long. Central Station requires additional platforms. However Central Station does not need or require the ineptness or involvement of Steve Rotherham. Put yourself forward for the vacant Mayor of Manchester Rotherham.

Where’s the money coming from, and in what century will this be delivered? There’ll be at least twenty lengthy and eye-wateringly expensive consultations and masterplans delivered before this is quietly mothballed along with so many other ‘game-changers’. Wish it wasn’t so, but it is.

Have people actually looked at the consultation material. So light on detail. Don’t the Liverpool City council or the LCRCA have any clear vision themselves?
As is typical of many surveys you are forced to select from answers for a pre-prepared list; even worse for much of the survey you have to select an exact number of options.
I can’t believe a professional consumer research or market surveyor would want to put their name to this awful process.
What a waste of money. I would love to see how much it is costing.

Are we supposed to believe this will be delivered whilst the Baltic Station has fell years behind and looking increasingly unlikely?

Everyone keeps talking about keeping money and opportunities local, yet when it comes to designing Liverpool’s future we look to Manchester and London businesses. Why? We have plenty of local talent.

Also, where is this £5bn coming from? If it’s real, explain the funding. If it’s an aspirational figure, say so. Big headlines are easy, transparency is harder!

Im from Liverpool and love the city! BUT feels like Liverpool do everything in silo! No strategic view as its too much to deal with. So we get pockets of investment that dont work overall! They cannot organise the London Road works which keep slipping backwards at circa £14m. They’re recruiting for new director of transport…. so this could take them a while! What happened to Mersey Tidal……

The comments say it all don’t they? People see the evidence of non delivery with their own eyes beyond a few new shiny buses.

As usual the whining minority attack any new ideas or complain about those who make suggestions. They would be the same people who claimed Hill Dickinson Stadium would never be built . There is a minority in Liverpool who have a ‘ can’t do ‘ attitude . Thank goodness the ‘ can do’s’ outnumber them . Make the designs and then let the people decide which they like best, but get hold of the Adelphi owners and tell them to sort their shabby hotel out .

A famous actor coined the phrase ‘Liverfool’. Most local polititions do not have the education to be allowed near projects cetainley not £5bn…

I agree with the comments by J Greenwood. The old high-level station area needs to be reclaimed and opened up to allow natural light to flood into the place. However, before that, two extra platforms need to be added to cope with any future expansion eastwards to sort out the City Line towards Newton-le-Willows.

Though god knows we’ll all be dead an buried before a spade goes into the ground.

The only way to do this is extra platforms on the Northern line and linking the Wrapping Tunnel allowing services from the east into Central. The platform space at Lime Street could then be used to services from the South West and Edinburgh. Doubt Steve will do this it’s far too strategic and long term for him, only does short term things so he can get the photo op. For once do something to benefits strategic rail connections.

10.17 Anonymous – What a load of rubbish! Liverpool is one of our most popular and finest cities, which is why it’s such a popular place to visit. It has officially been crowned the UK’s best large city break in major consumer surveys. World class waterfront and amazing architecture. It’s only going to get better.

Would love this to happen, and it needs to happen, but to make it work we need to re-open the rail tunnels at Edge Hill, as we have to take the burden off Lime Street so it can take more long distance trains.
Look to Europe where many non capital cities have great urban rail systems that are light years ahead of us eg Bilbao, Antwerp, Lyon, Marseilles, Barcelona, Hamburg.

The most stupid idea from the most soul destroying council in the North West.
They harp on about new stations new links new this new that and all it is is a fancy dramatic canopy over the entrance. LCC.
Some of us have a brain. We didn’t all vote you in and hopefully this nonsense goes in the bin ASAP.

This must link the northern line to the east via the Wapping Tunnel, the initial link was built in the 70s. The released capacity at Lime Street can be used for lost long distance services, thanks DfT.

Moan moan moan! And J G Kitchener, what are you talking about with disused station? Weird. Same with everyone else’s moans. Please get a grip and get involved with constructive feedback if indeed you actually have anything worthwhile that isn’t just a moan and bitter snipe. You are the exact eason why ploticians feel the need to consult so much, and your moaning is no different to the NIMBY moaning, despite what you may believe in your own miserable, negative headspace. This is not just a new concourse, it is new platforms and underground links to Lime street on top of the proposals for the surrounds. Great.

More talk and fancy pictures ,I remember the first big idea to regenerate Central Station around 20 years ago ,water features new shops hotels ect , and just like this one it didn’t happen, talk is cheap. Liverpool City council couldn’t deliver a parcel in a post office.

We’ve been waiting five years for Broadgreen station to be be upgraded to make it accessible. Shortened platforms,no ticket office and a makeshift bus shelter as the only passenger “facility” are all that is left of this historic station. Please fix this before any pie in the sky pla s for Central, which has no funding and has been totally ignored by LCRA. An absolute disgrace.

I hope something comes of this, the area around Mount Pleasent/ Brown low Hill Opposite the Aldephi needs addressing along with the old Lewis’s building and other areas.
Will the project be susceptible to any recent suggestions that the Northern Rail scheme by Parliament should be reviewed?
I know this is in the Governments Green book, but whoever is in charge of the Treasury may have their options curtailed.
Anyway, as always I remain optimistic.

Yes David Bush the Hill Dickinson stadium maybe is good in itself but to describe the organisation on Event days as adequate is giving it way to much credit.
Poor traffic management, inadequate rubbish collection and poor stewarding of local residents or shoppers are just some of the problems.
Nevermind the broken promises about improving public transport options.
If the LCC can’t get this right after nearly 18 months how can they be trusted with £5bn?

People arnt fooled. No one believes Labour will ever deliver anything ts just not in them.

Yes it would boost alot for liverpoolif they decided to go along with this plan 100 percent

At this point they’re just mocking us, surely. Do they subscribe to some sort of paid survey app and they have to justify this subscription? Is this council doing anything else than consulting? I have completed number of those surveys and they are a total waste of time, they lead to more of nothing. Meanwhile “the greatest city in the world” starts to look like an early naughties relict and embarrassment covered in seagull’s sh*.

A welcome diversion for Mayor Rotheram and his failure to fulfil his promises on opening the Baltic Station.

Anonymous is the one is worse moan moan here all the time…..LOOK where the money from? Where £5BN from? It just 5 mins walk from disused station to Lime Street station which is completely unacceptable because there no rail lines to anywhere from disused station so why £5BN? anonymous is always cry cry 😭 why you here anyway. I’m here for feedback that all I want.

The areas directly outside both entrances to Central station are scruffy, increasingly full of bars and don’t create a great first impression of the city. If they are going to spend so much money they need to come up with a long term plan and look after it once complete. I love Liverpool but it gets dirtier and scruffier every time I visit.

G J Kitchener. Just to keep you in the loop and on topic. There is no disused station involved in any part of this development. The station in question is Central Station which may be 5 mins walk from Line street but is not disused and has over 14 million passengers per year. Not sure where you get the idea it is disused? Very strange.

Yet another public consultation. Tax payers are having to foot the bill for Pall Mall. How on earth do they think they’re going to raise £5 billion for this. It just gets worse and worse. A total waste of public funds. This city is on a never ending downward spiral with a useless Mayor and council shunned by investors.

@Anonymous 9th July at 15.59pm

Of course it is disused because of the Liverpool central high level is disused but low level is still existing but why build a new transport hub it completely unknown building design between disused high level and existing low level, I just no wondering why £5BN it too much it seem very strange. And most Liverpool people said don’t want spend a £5BN from public taxpayer it absolutely RIGHT because of waste of money like I said earlier. This is professional feedback comments it ain’t very strange.