Consultation starts on 430-acre Liverpool North Docks MDC

You’ve missed off the list of powers, Dan.

It absolutely ridiculous the 17.000 new home in central Liverpool it will be serious risk of overcrowded football stadium and railway system including the office as well, it all in the same place it is absolutely crazy as risk.

Central Docks should be double that amount, 2000 is not that much, this area could and should be denser, more homes = more people, more jobs, more customers for businesses and reduced commuting.

Great news, need at least one new Merseyrail station near Stanley Dock, plus the 1st phase of a proper tram along Great Howard Street with multiple stops, ideally it would be along the dock road but is there space.

Maybe the MDC can sort out some of the mess of the stalled sites in North Liverpool created by the Council in the first place! The fact is for all the spin by LCC and the CA Liverpool is now miles behind all the major Northern cities and that’s down entirely to poor local leadership.

Fantastic news will look fantastic

If only we had the waterfront

Yet another consultation to be ignored – look at the results of the one for the introduction of paid parking after 6pm around the Hope St area. Overwhelmingly against and yet they ignored and went and introduced parking restrictions to the detriment of the area. What has ever been achieved in recent times by this lot? The list will be shorter than what’s not happened!

More consultation to be ignored no doubt. Numerous businesses fleeing the Ten Streets as their operations restricted by matchday lockdowns. One single train station with one track already over capacity when an event is staged at Hill Dickinson. No sign of a proper tram system or a second train station by Central Docks, just a few long buses. Heavy on hype, low on ambition and delivery.

Yawn, yawn, yawn and the tumble weed still rolls across the 430 acre site 10 years after the 6 week consultation ends.

Hope they do a better job of consulting than they’ve done on the bus and cycle and Section 106 works to London Rd……oh hang on they never did much! But a real win to get Simon O’brien on his fold up bike……that really got it out there!
Anyhoo they dont even have a design yet so their programme is rather behind on these works meanwhile Liverpool City Council have killed off the market on there! Oh I do hope the CA have put overage and claw back into their loans and grants to Peel……as Peel will just service the land and flip it on…….v naive !!!!

Anyone opposed to this simply doesn’t want to see Liverpool succeed and do well. The Kings development looks incredible with serious people behind it. I don’t think many people ever believed that the original Liverpool Waters plans would ever come to fruition however, going by the latest renders it looks massively watered down.
There hasn’t been any real plans in terms of the taller elements of the towers on Central Docks but I would sincerely hope we’ll see 5 or 6 towers of around the 40 storeys mark.
This along with the Kings development would be incredible for Liverpool.
LCC more or less promised for years that there would be buffer zones for tall clusters and these are the zones in question. Not every building will be of outstanding quality but I would hope the tallest buildings would be of s very high quality.
This could be one of the most vibrant areas of the UK if done right. A good mix of offices, hotels and plenty of shops, cafes, restaurants, gyms, bars etc would be a great extension of the city centre. This is a once off opportunity for Liverpool and I hope and pray LCC don’t ruin this with the usual height restriction nonsense. Think big , build big.

@ anonymous 10.28 – you’ll have a long wait, if it’s not a bendy bus or bike Steve doesn’t want to know.

I understand the need to do something with the disused land but at the same time I’m saddened that Liverpool will potentially end up just like any other city with loads of skyscrapers and smallish flats, with in my opinion, weird looking buildings.

So many people hate the thought of Liverpool being successful lets hope it happens the bigger the better!

Anonymous @ 3.38 like you I have long wished for a lot of the pie in the projects put forward to enhance this city to come to fruition. Alas, I have come to my senses after sixty years of hope and anticipation only to find. I am pressing the rewind button time and time again. The City of Liverpool will never succeed with the current inept incumbents.

2028 until the new cruise terminal is built
What the hell is going on this is rediculously slow and at Liverpool,s cost why did peel not build it themselves as soon as peel handed global ports the rights to the new terminal nothing is happening councilors need to look into this as they have had it 2 years and no progress, shocking !

Another consultation ! Another thirty years. Yawn !

What percentage of the homes will be affordable?

Talk,talk,talk
More ugly ground scrapers with little or no car parking . Wish the sheeples would stop voting this lot in. RIP Liverpool

We are coming to the end of a Norwegian Cruise which departed from Southampton. Whilst the boarding facilities were excellent the view from the terminal was of warehouses. I urge the city to develop a proper departure cruise terminal provided an alternative to Southampton.
Why does someone living in Liverpool and the North of England have to travel south to access Celebrity , P and O and other cruise ships.

6.40am, there are plenty of so called affordable homes in this city, and even then the ones that are deemed affordable will be out of reach for some.
It’s the job of the Housing Associations to provide for those who are less well off, and not the private builders.

There seems to be some flawed understanding in the comments here and on others regarding Liverpool Waters. Peel never intended to build out the plots/neighbourhoods themselves. My understanding is that they secured consent for the masterplan, built the infrastructure and then sell off plots to different developers who would then bring them forward (i.e., Everton FC, Moda, Romal, TJ Morris, whoever built Light Haus, etc). It’s probably a bit unfair to blame Peel for a lack of progress – they’re waiting for the right developer / offer to come along. In the meantime, we might want to query why it has taken LCC two years and counting to determine an amendment application for the masterplan.

About time believe it when it happens

It’s been 84 years

Looks watered down to me. If we get Leeds by the Sea it would ruin, not enhance.

Anon 9.07am, perhaps you’re being a bit generous towards Peel, as they’ve had the Central Docks for about 18 years now, and promised a lot. Ok they, and others, had UNESCO to deal with and LCC , but you must have noticed they like to take credit for things that others have achieved like the Everton Stadium or the IOM ferry terminal.
As regards TJ Morris they bought the land from Peel for the Kings development and aren’t in partnership with Peel.
They like to pull in grants from Government to cover a lot of their infrastructure work, such as the £55m+ they got from Rachel Reeves for central docks , and it’s not just in Liverpool where they achieve this.
They have done well with the shipping side of this and the port, but don’t forget too that they got massive subsidies to construct the new in-river container berths known as T2.

Every time I see a proposal for this it gets less and less ambitious. What happened to the original “Liverpool Waters” vision? If Liverpool really wants to rival Manchester and attract talent and jobs, this whole site needs to be filled with skyscrapers to create an iconic skyline for the city whilst ensuring there’s the capacity for office space and tens of thousands of flats for young, skilled workers.

Most of the projects quoted are already.in development so what value will the MDC add other than Mayor Rotheram making political capital from other people’s hard work? Peel have built out Princes Dock on their own as have Everton their new ground. Steve would be better abandoning his vanity projects and focusing his attention on providing a modern transport system for North Liverpool that extends beyond a few long buses.

Anon 12.16. You know how development works, right? Nobody uses ‘their own money’ on projects of scale. You may have just seen that the Mayor of London / GLA has taken a £100m stake in the Silvertown Quays project in East London… being developed by Lend Lease and The Crown Estate. It’s been 15 years to get nowhere near where Peel have got… with the global clout of Lend Lease.
Mayfield, Manchester – park paid for by Covid Recovery funds. Rightly so, but Landsec are a
listed developer with deep pockets.
So, let’s try focusing on growth and ambition, by understanding the facts…..

I am a Liverpool in through and through I have waited for some form of development from an early age. I am now 88 and not seen much developments Steave Rotherham as promised the Cruise terminal for the last two years and I have seen nothing which fills me with any enthusiasm When you look at Southampton it reduces me to tears but unfortunately that’s where I have to go but these days you have Newcastle, Plymouth Tilbury and Portsmouth all up and running while Liverpool is still dawdling come on Steve do something will you?

Where is this”Pumpfields” district? Another made up name by the chinless wonders for an undefined area

Great to see the city on the front foot with confidence in our future. They say fortune favours the brave so for my Steve and the team need to be bold like our forefathers were 👊

Put the infrastructure in first eg train station and tram system. The docks are not set up for housing etc as it stands. If done right it will be amazing but tight control and outside of the box thinking must prevail.

Yet another consultation that will lead to yet another consultation about this consultation and still nothing appears to be getting built and nothing will get built by the current LCC. The garden festival site consultation has lead to nothing happening yet either and the one for the Liverpool Waterfront has lead to……..you guessed it nothing. All of that live in, work in or just plainly and simply love and care for our city constantly search for great news of progress and then when we think we have found some we very quickly find that it is stifled and stopped by those who run our city. Our city’s postmark used to say ‘Liverpool, city of change and challenge’. It should now read ‘Liverpool, the city that is totally against change and please don’t challenge us!’

The remediation and infrastructure work on Central Docks is obviously well underway but should be complete by 2028. So why aren’t we seeing planning applications coming in now so they can be oven ready for 2028. We all know how slow Liverpool planning is and Gateway2, and even if the Metro Mayor will have fast track planning authority by then,things should be being submitted now.
Look at the nearby cruise liner terminal where GPH have been in control now for nearly 2 years but we’ve seen no plans for any new terminal or extending the berthing pontoon.

In Liverpool consultation = stalling tactics.
There are people within LCC who simply don’t want the city to thrive and grow.
These people shouldn’t be anywhere near planning decisions in the city.
Time to replace those with village mindsets with forward thinking people with ambition and the type a vision that matches the huge potential that Liverpool has.

If build a 17.000 new home in the north Dock area it will be double because of families and children that would travel to work, education and school in the rush hour traffic and train from Monday to Friday it absolutely stuck for transport system including the road as well. Build a 7.000 new home will be very sensible 👍🏻

Lack of credible developer interest is the greatest barrier to actual delivery in this area, and the MDC is just another route to kick that can down the road. In terms of development the city is mid table at best and the Council and their friends at the CA must take their share of the blame for this. Get on the train to cities like Leeds and Sheffield, they’re miles ahead of us.

Shud now take the opportunty for a tram from airport thro south liverpool onto Renshaw Lime st down to pier head and straight thru liverpool waters passing the new stadium and thro bootle onto crosby!

A consultant’s dream for the next 10 years.